Hey folks, welcome to another great interview from The Mind of a Skeptical Leftist. This time around I talked to Kaitlyn Bayley who is a founding member of the Old Pro’s Project and is the voice of the podcast The Oldest Profession. She’s hilarious and brilliant and we talk, as you might have guessed, sex work and a lot of the myths around it and the people who do it. We take on arguments from Marxists and leftists, as well as ideas from liberals and the nonsense that’s coming from conservatives. It was a great chat and I hope that you can see that most of the arguments against sex work, even the well meaning ones aren’t as well founded as the people who promote them think they are.
I guess the thing that’s on everyone’s mind these days is abortion. In the US right now the one case that was keeping abortion as a right for people who can get pregnant is about to blow up. If it hasn’t already by the time I’m finished working on this. I don’t really know what to say about it though because we’ve already been over this many many times and somehow there is still a large number of people who fully believe a clump of cells has the right to inhabit a grown person’s body. We can make philosophical arguments about violin players being given your organs or being attached to you in order to survive. We can make arguments about how it’s clearly just a clump of cells and has no life as such. We can appeal to their holy book and point out the only time it mentions abortion is to be in favor of it. We can even just show them that if they were the last one in a burning building and they had to choose which to save, babies or fetal cells, they would always choose the actual living babies.
We can talk about how they seem so gung ho about saving fetuses but as soon as children are born they abandon them and leave them to a system that doesn’t care. We can point out their hypocrisy, their ignorance of science, their inability to understand basic decency and it’s all for naught.
The people they follow have decided this is an issue and they have played the game for decades despite knowing that the world is an improved place when people have the right to choose whether or not to stay pregnant. I don’t think there’s anything that can be said to convince them. What needs to be done, so long as we rely on states to ensure that nobody invades our bodily autonomy is to make sure that the state actually does that. Barring that we need to ensure free movement for those seeking abortions to places where they can get them freely. If we need to send our friends bottles of the morning after pill through the mail then so be it. If we need to set up networks of health care workers who can safely perform abortions outside of the system then that’s what we have to do.
This is a major flaw in the American style of representative democracy. Or really any representative democracy or state where a group of people has the right to impose their will onto the body of people without the power of the state behind them. We need to be able to work outside of the systems that exist and build networks for people who need healthcare needs that the state has prohibited. That’s it, that’s all I have. If you have to come to Canada to get an abortion you can stay at my house. It’s not illegal here yet.
With that I’m going to send you over to this interview with Kaytlin. Make sure to check out the Old Pros Project and the Oldest Profession podcast. I’ll put links in the show notes or the description box
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